Well for about $1000 + travel + lodging you can get one by taking a Sun class in Fremont(plus a diploma). Frank S. Heath | THIS IS NOT AN ENDOURSEMENT, Rockwell SPD | but they do serve good lunches. 4311 Jamboree Road P.O. Box C Newport Beach, CA, 92658-8902 (714) 833 6864 FAX (714) 833 6863 M/S 985-337 sun!sunkist!earth!heath