According to 30 Apr's UNIX Today, there will be no upgrades. They cited Sun as the source... Here at Hitachi, we had a 4/60 (Sparcstation 1) on order, and got a 4/65 (Sparcstation 1+) delivered. Now the politics begin!!! It's mine! John W. S. Marvin Hitachi Computer Products j_marvin at hitachi.com